Monday, November 10, 2008

Prop 8 thoughts

I've hesitated putting something like this together, but I read a good blog from Alene's friend Kristen that described my feelings on it much better. I'm going to pretty much copy and paste an email she received from a friend, along with my own thoughts on Prop 8.

First, I do not want to offend anyone and I'm open to anyone wanting to call me a bigot, discriminator, etc. The fact is, I'll always disagree and I'll always back my beliefs over what someone who claims to be "peaceful" people, want to throw vile words back at my face....

First I guess I'm not completely surprised by the backlash from the community that lost out, but I didn't expect to see some of the hateful tones coming from them. I feel like the democratic process won out and "the people" have spoken. These aren't people that hate, or want to bring any one group down, they are people that are standing up for something they believe in: the definition of the word "Marriage". While watching the news reports of these people blocking others from attending their religious services, attacking police officers, jumping on police cars, etc. I was bothered by the whole scene. I didn't expect this to change their ways (they are free to do what they want in that regard), but I did expect the democratic process to be respected.

I have friends and family members that are homosexual. This doesn't mean I'm some sort of saint, but at the same time, I do feel like I am accepting of their decisions. Still, that should not stop me from supporting something that is sacred to ME: Marriage.

Here is the email that I wanted to post that I thought expressed more of my thoughts and shed a little more light on what happened with Prop 8:

Dear Friends,

In the aftermath of the recent election, we may find ourselves oddly on the
defensive regarding our support for the Yes on Proposition 8 cause. Our
young people have been especially subject to mean spirited comments by high
school friends and teachers. We have nothing to be ashamed of. We did nothing wrong.
In fact, we did everything that a civic minded American can and should do.
I have put together a few facts that help me to appreciate our position better.
For example:

1. Mormons make up less than 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 800,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 34 million.

2. Mormon voters were less than 5% of the yes vote. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then LDS voters made up 4.6% of the Yes vote and 2.4% of the total Proposition 8 vote.

3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign. Individual members of the Church were encouraged to support the Yes on 8 efforts and, exercising their constitutional right to free speech, donated whatever they felt like donating.

4. The No on 8 campaign raised more money than the Yes on 8 campaign. Unofficial estimates put No on 8 at $38 million and Yes on 8 at $32 million, making it the most expensive non-presidential election in the country.

5. Advertising messages for the Yes on 8 campaign are based on case law and real-life situations. The No on 8 supporters have insisted that the Yes on 8 messaging is based on lies. Every Yes on 8 claim is supported.

6. The majority of our friends and neighbors voted Yes on 8. Los Angeles County voted in favor of Yes on 8. Ventura County voted in favor of Yes on 8.

7. African Americans overwhelmingly supported Yes on 8. Exit polls show that 70% of Black voters chose Yes on 8. This was interesting because the majority of these voters voted for President-elect Obama. No on 8 supporters had assumed that Obama voters would vote No on 8.

8. The majority of Latino voters voted Yes on 8. Exit polls show that the majority of Latinos supported Yes on 8 and cited religious beliefs (assumed to be primarily Catholic).

9. The Yes on 8 coalition was a broad spectrum of religious organizations. Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims – all supported Yes on 8. It is estimated that there are 10 million Catholics and 10 million Protestants in California. Mormons were a tiny fraction of the
population represented by Yes on 8 coalition members.

10. Not all Mormons voted in favor of Proposition 8. Our faith accords that each person be allowed to choose for him or her self. Church leaders have asked members to treat other members with "civility,respect and love,"despite their differing views.

11. The Church did not violate the principal of separation of church and state. This principle is derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof . . ." The phrase "separation of church and state", which does not appear in the
Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, although it has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court in recent years. The LDS Church is under no obligation to refrain from participating in the
political process, to the extent permitted by law. U.S. election law is very clear that Churches may not endorse candidates, but may support issues. The Church as always been very careful on this matter and occasionally (not often) chooses to support causes that it feels to be of a moral nature.

12. Supporters of Proposition 8 did exactly what the Constitution provides for all citizens: they exercised their First Amendment rights to speak out on an issue that concerned them, make contributions to a cause that they support, and then vote in the regular electoral process. For the most part, this seems to have been done in an open, fair, and civil way. Opponents of 8 have accused supporters of being bigots, liars, and worse. The fact is, we simply did what Americans do – we spoke up, we campaigned, and we voted.

These are my personal opinions and thoughts; any errors are mine and in no way reflect official Church policy or doctrine.


Kevin Hamilton

I really hope that before someone wants to refer to me as a mindless bigot or discriminator, that they consider this email.


  1. Hey Ty,

    I wrote a post about this that you might find interesting...

    Let me know what you think.

  2. Got to your blog from don't know me from Adam...liked that prop 8 email...sums it all up nicely...your basement is awesome...I wish I had the patience/talent to do that stuff...good work.

  3. whatever helps you sleep at night ......

  4. Well, I still don't sleep at night, but that's because a baby wakes me up. Fortunately, I don't have the equipment to take care of her, so Alene is the one that actually "gets up".

  5. how about an anti mob proposition next.